Re Payne 197 & 198 - Harold Bacon

Chris.
        The tip that measured .132 at the butt and .054 at tip. This taper
was cut using the old 3 piece tip pattern. The other tip was cut using the
new 3 piece pattern. The new 3 piece tip pattern was machined in 1948 and
then modified in 1953-4. Payne also changed the mid and butt patterns around
the same time. Payne also used a salmon tip and mid patterns for his heavier
3 piece rods in longer lengths.
  Best Hal.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris McDowell" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 5:41 PM
Subject: Payne 197 & 198


> Hi Hal,
>
> My comment about the early/late versions of the Payne
> 198 was information I've gleaned from others and not
> based on any personal experience I've had with
> original Payne 198 rods. I appreciate your expertise
> with the Payne tapers, and willingness to provide good
> information to us about these tapers.
>
> Another rodmaker miced a 198 and the taper was
> provided to me a few years ago.  The two tips actually
> miced out quite differently from about the 15" point
> down to the tip ferrule.  Differences of .002" to
> .010" along these points.  The heavier of the two tips
> miced at about .140" at the ferrule and .054" at the
> tiptop.  That's the taper I've been using in the 198's
> I've made. The other tip miced at .132" at the ferrule
> and .054" at the tip.  It is my understanding that
> this rod was an original early rod from about the
> 30's?
>
> Do you think the difference in the tips was
> intentional or a result of milling processes in that
> era?
>
> I would be grateful for the 198 or 197 series tapers
> you have if it's not too much trouble.  Thanks.
>
> Chris McDowell
> 
>
> --- Harold Bacon <> wrote:
> > Shawn.
> >             The std Payne #198 is a 5/6 wtg. The #'s
> > reported on various
> > lists have the Model 198L listed which is a 4/5 wtg.
> > What line wtg are you
> > looking for in 7'6" length? If you are looking for a
> > 4wtg. look at the model
> > 197L. Let me know and I will send you a Taper.
> >     Best Hal.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shawn Pineo" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:16 AM
> > Subject: Payne 198, Comments please??
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >           I'm starting a Payne 198 (for myself
> > hopefully??). Does anyone
> > > have experience with this taper?? Looks very nice
> > from the graph.
> > >       The archives shows a little discussion on
> > this rod as to what line
> > > wt it casts.The taper archives shows it as a 7'6"
> > 4 wt 3 pc rod although
> > > in my later Payne catalogues it is shown as a 6
> > wt?
> > >      I would love to hear anyone's comments on
> > this rod. It looks to be
> > > a nice break from the Young / Dickerson lifestyle
> > I have been leading
> > > lately ;^)
> > >      Should make a nice rod for browns this
> > spring, MMMMmmm hurry up and
> > > get here fishing season, I'm starting to
> > contemplate building a mini rod
> > > and a tiny fly to go after my daughters goldfish,
> > (yes it seems like
> > > that long since I've been out fishing!)
> > >             Shawn
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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