Re Asking for for rod tapers - Larry Puckett

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Here's what Ron says, I think I may have misinterpreted what he said. Upon
reading it again I think he means the entire swell from one inch in front of
the grip to the end of the butt is only .120 not .120 per inch. So you're
correct that if you had a 6" grip and 4" reelseat that would make it .012
per inch:

The First ELFINS

 All of the tapers on all of my rods are my own, however, there are two rods
I always admired, the Paul Young Midge and The Paul Young Perfectionist. I
obtained five original Paul Young Midges and miked them every three inches
and made an average of the five tapers which were close but not exact. The
only thing that could have improved this rod was the addition of a swell to
keep the energy from going out the back of the rod, so I added an .120
graceful swell from one inch in front of the grip to the back of the rod
which effectively keeps the energy from becoming equalized and exiting the
real seat portion of the rod. Experienced casters at the American Casting
Association Registered Tournament held in July 2001 at the Delaware River
Club called it the improved Paul Young Midge taper and was heralded as, "the
best small rod they had ever cast."

Larry

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Madigan" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: Asking for for rod tapers


> Larry,
>
> Do you really mean .120 per inch or .012?
>
> .120 would be severe - I have done .080 over 1.25" and that is a dramatic
> swell.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> --- Larry Puckett <> wrote:
> > You guys are just looking for an excuse to argue on this one. The taper
in
> > question for the Kusse Elf and Elfin are Paul Young Perfectionist and
Midge
> > tapers with a 0.120" per inch swell added from 1" above the grip to the
end
> > of the rod butt. Therefore this is NOT Kusse's own proprietary taper
that "
> > he arrived at through work", and he points this out on his web page. The
only
> > thing secret about them is what he uses to impregnate the cane.
> >
> > Now, if we were talking about one of his other proprietary tapers I'd
agree
> > with you. Digger didn't mind his tapers being posted or published but he
> > always felt that they should not be used by commercial builders until
after
> > his passing (so now that he's the food of worms go at it). I am really
> > surprised that many current commercial rodbuilders also have their
tapers out
> > there for the world to see, among them Bogart, Thramer, Nunley. I once
read
> > somewhere that given all the experimentation that has gone on in
rodbuilding
> > over the last 150 years, it is unlikely that anyone has anything really
> > "NEW", they're all just working on a modification of a modification at
this
> > point. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that most of Ron's
proprietary
> > tapers are just Leonards with a .001" subtracted or added here and there
> > (note that I'm not accusing of stealing Leonard tapers or anyone
else's).
> >
> > OK, I've said my piece to go at it!
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Brian D. Creek
> >   To:  ; rodmakers@wugate.wustl.edu
> >   Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:21 PM
> >   Subject: Re: Asking for for rod tapers
> >
> >
> >   I was going to be quiet here, but...
> >
> >   It may be just a set of numbers, but it's a set of numbers he arrived
at
> > through work.  You get paid for work here in America, last time I
checked.
> > This isn't the USSR is it?  No, it's "Merca, and we pay folks for their
> > contributions, be it work or knowledge.  If you WANT to give away your
work,
> > that's just dandy, but nobody (except your folks and your wife) can
force you
> > to work for free.  Hell, I think Ron's got ex-wives to feed, he can't
afford
> > to give anything away!
> >
> >
> >   Brian
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: 
> >     To: 
> >     Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:33 PM
> >     Subject: Asking for for rod tapers
> >
> >
> >     It's not often that I get fired up, but ... this one fires me up.
It's a
> > set of numbers. Period. For that matter, one could buy rods, take the
> > measurements, and post the tapers. It's a set of numbers!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not
> > a rod, it's just numbers. I think it's silly as hell to get upset of a
taper,
> > and there are no secrets, as they can be measured, and then the secret
is
> > out. I'll tell you where the secret is. The secret is in the care and
concern
> > a rod maker uses when building a rod, planing the cane, the preparation,
the
> > attention paid to fine detail. THAT'S the secret if there are any. I too
ask
> > Mr. Kusse for a taper for a brookie rod, and was denied an answer. I
hold
> > NOTHING again Mr. Kusse for that, it's his decision. I still think it's
silly
> > as hell. But ... that's me. I build for a living, so I have the same
reason
> > to be concerned with trade secrets. I'm just not sure a set of numbers
are
> > trade secrets. That's my two cents worth. Jerry Andrews, Moundsville,
West
> > Virginia.
> >
> >
>
>
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