Another Payne 201 taper - Reed Guice
Hello All,
My friend and bamboo guru, rodmaker Syd Smith, let me cast his version of
the Payne 201 just last week. It has been tweaked to suit his ideas of
taper design.
Casting with a Triangle Taper 5wt, this rod was very impressive. Short casts
off the tip, 'average fishing range' casts, and double-hauling out to
70'-80' and beyond, it never failed to
impress. I just thought someone might be interested in one more take on
this wonderful 8' 3/2 5wt.
Best Regards,
Reed Guice
FFF CCI
Reed - As you can see there are a lot of tapers attributed to Payne's 201.
IT IS TWEAKED. Here is the taper for the rod I made. 8 foot, 3 piece.
Measurements are on the UNVARNISHED sections:
Butt (inches) Mid (inches) Tip
Ferrules 16 and 11 - Super Z - with step down at ferrules as shown
0 - .355 0 - .242 0 -
.158
5 - .355 5 - .2355 5 -
.146
10 - .355 10 - .2255 10 -
.135
15 - .304 15 - .215 15 -
.123
20 - .285 ` 20 - .202 20 -
.111
25 - .271 25 - .191 25 -
.093
30 - 257 30 - .1755 30 -
.071
32 - .254 32 - .171 32 -
.067
Measurements on the VARNISHED/FINISHED rod from tip down: measured as close
to the inch indicated as possible given ferrules and guide wraps, but
clearly not as accurate as above.
0 - .067
5 - .078 Dipped: 4 coats butt , 4 coats mid,
3 coats tips.
10 -.103
15 -.118
20 - .134
25 - .143
30 - .150
35 - .180
40 - .194
45 - .205
50 - .219
55 - .228
60 - .238
65 - ferrule
70 - .274
75 - .286
80 - .296 (begin swell)
85 - .352 (swell)
90 - grip
95 - grip
96 - grip
Sydney A. Smith
-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:rodmakers-bounces@goldrush.com]
On Behalf Of Paul & Judy Gruver
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:06 PM
To: Steve Weiss; 'Rodmakers List'
Subject: Re: [RODMAKERS] Payne 201 taper
I hope nobody is trying to interpret, from this discussion, that one person
is right, and everybody else is wrong. A Payne 201 was a 3-piece, 2-tip, 8'
5wt rod. Obviously, Steve and Mike measured 2 very different rods, but they
both were marked, by Jim Payne himself, as 201's.
The dimensions Steve has provided for the Payne 201 appear to be beefed up
version of the Payne 200, which would make sense. I ran both these tapers
through HexRod to get the stress curves, and the results are quite
interesting. The Weiss rod has higher stress in the tip, while the
Troutgetter rod has a more parabolic mid. Neither is drastic, though.
When you compare graph of the dimensions, though, there really isn't much
difference, suggesting that one may well have been a refinement of the
other.
Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing which rod came first.
I am attaching the graphs for anybody who's interested.
Cheers,
Paul
--- Steve Weiss <> wrote:
> I've made at least 5 of these rods and none were a 3/4-wt. but it sure
> casts a 5. None of the evaluators at CRR thought that it was
> over-lined. If anyone who cast it last year wants to weigh in here,
> have at it.
> Steve
> >
> > I may be mistaken but the taper below looks more
> like a 3/4wt to me. What
> > am
> > I missing? Maybe the 0.006 for varnish is too
> much?
>
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